Invite order and Looting rules for ZG

[Juggernaught]

Zul’Gurub

Invite system
All new raids will be posted in the Raid Planning section of www.dlraid.co.uk You just need to register there (using your character name please), then you can sign up for the raids.

Invite priority is decided by a circular queue system. At the end of a raid, everybody that was signed up and online at the start moves 'up' (around) a position in the queue. Players that weren't signed up stay at the same position in the queue.
Players that sign up and don't show will be moved to the bottom of the list at the raid leaders discretion.



Characters signing up for the first time will be insterted at the bottom of the queue.

Characters that miss 3 raids in a row will be removed from the invite list and have to re-join at the bottom when they next sign up.

Loot system
DLKP - DreadLords Kill Points.
Players are awarded points as detailed in the table below (point tracking is implemented on the dlraid site)
When an item drops all players are entitled to bid on it using their dlkp points - This is an an open bidding, run buy the loot master, where all players can bid on any item they can make use of.

Coins/Bijous: Roll Need
BoE Greens: Roll Need/Greed as required.
BoE Blues: Minimum starting bid of 10 points.
Voodo Dolls: Minimum starting bid of 10 points.
Blues: Minimum starting bid of 10 points.
Epics: Minimum starting bid of 20 points.

DKP Points
Being on time +2
Staying until end +2
New boss kill bonus +5
High Priestess Jeklik +2
High Priest Venoxis +2
Bloodlord Mandokir +2
High Priestess Mar'li +2
High Priest Thekal +2
High Priestess Arlokk +2
Jin'do the Hexxer +5
Hakkar +5

Note: Points gained during a raid will only be added to your score AFTER the raid has ended.

+10 points are awarded to a character at the start of their first run.

*The New boss kill bonus is awarded when the DreadLords team take down a new boss for the first time only. After that, there is no additional bonus.

[Juggernaught]

Driud
1 - Aybabta
2 - Blackflame

Hunter
1 - Juggernaught
2 - Seamless
3 - Billybull
4 - Dustin

Mage
1 - Choralia
2 - Xirk
3 - Puyrian
4 - Aramar
5 - Chronox

Priest
1 - Damagecase
2 - Tigra
3 - Kallax

Rogue
1 - Cherrymuffin
2 - Cogar
3 - Gezas

Shaman
1 - Kementari
2 - Yanzi

Warlock
1 - Aybabtu
2 - Ferrix
3 - Yara

Warrior
1 - Testtubebaby
2 - Gorky
3 - Deathstare
4 - Shreda
5 - Grumbledook
6 - Singali

[DamageCase]

Question, are the dkp points for AQ and ZG shared or seperate?

Personally I favor seperated point tables, since they are different instances and different people running it.

[Juggernaught]

Some guilds sucessfully operate all guild raids with shared dkp without too much trouble, and as we only have about 12 of us so far that have signed up for any raids, it may not be that much of a problem...

Saying that tho, I also would like to see seperate dkp tables for each raid.

However, the site as it is can't handle multiple dkp tables; it would need some modifying to handle it. I'll look into it and see how much work it'd be (duplicate dkp tables, a few new fields and some modification of each html template I guess).

[DamageCase]

(Technical blah blah)

After installing eqdkp and modding it about 20 times in the last two weeks I can tell you it's not much trouble ;p
Make the seperate folders for AQ and ZG, move the existing one to "ZG"
Setup a fresh install in "AQ" (or make a db dump of the existing db, and make a new db with it) copy all the files over from "ZG" and modify you db settings,
there you go ;p
It would need a indexpage pointing people to either AQ dkp/signup or ZG dkp/signup

[Juggernaught]

It seems that I can’t have multiple databases with my hosting (yeah, it sucks)
Also, with multiple databases, you would have multiple copies of each user to maintain. People would have to register twice, and you’d have to link them to their users twice. It’s a maintenance headache.

But after some though about it, I actually can’t see why we need to store the points separately. For me the essence of starting up guild raids is that it should not be though of as Zul’Gurub raid/points and AQ20 raid/points; They are DreadLords points, earned through DreadLords raids, to be spent in DreadLords raids.

But for now I've fixed the site back to the way it was (oh yeah, I may have damaged the database a little while trying things out - D'oh!)

But it is still very much in development, and I can change if there really is the need - Whatever we do, we all need to be happy with it – I’ve seen arguments over the points systems tear groups apart, so please if you can think of reasons why we should adopt a seperate points system for sepearte instances
then please post them here and let's get the right system for us.

However - My vote is firmly on the current single dreadlords points table...

[Kementari]

juggernaught said:

But for now I've fixed the site back to the way it was (oh yeah, I may have damaged the database a little while trying things out - D'oh!)

Yes, I noticed little things like not being able to log in and the raid calendar sign ups being wiped...

[Kallax]

How will DLKP affect people with multiple characters running then will they accumulate just for that person or for each toon?

[Juggernaught]

Only the character/toon that attends the raid gets points.

[DamageCase]

I already pointed this out to Juggs last night. I think we should have a bit more fair system to distribute the coins and bijou's that drop during the raid.
The random need/greed rolls are erm... very random ;p

Juggs suggested dividing them after the raid, I was also thinking of being able to buy them for dkp or something

What do you guys think?

[Juggernaught]

After some thought, I agree with DC on this. The random distribution of coins/bijous, although the easiest way of distributing, does give slightly random results. Some people have loads, some have none after 3 raids.

I also think that that being able to purchase coins bijous using dkp would be a good use of the system we now have in place, and present another option for people to spend their hard earned dlkp points for (if they want).

So this is what I propose: Someone is designated Master Looter foir the raid (it'll probably be me then I guess?), who loots everything from the raid. At the end of the raid the ML will auction off the coins & bijous from the raid; Bijous individually, and coins in groups of 5.

The ML will announce how many lots there are before bidding commences so that everyone can plan accordingly.

Do we all think this a/ will work ok and b/ is worth doing?

please post your comments and suggestions here...

[DamageCase]

I definatly agree on this ;p

In the 4 runs we did now I have recieved exactly 1 (one!) coin, while some others have way more then that ;p

as far as the bidding goes, I'd like to see a fixed price for sets of coins and bijou's. Maybee stock them in raidbank first and "sell" them in large quantities later?

[Juggernaught]

I do think that coins should be offered at the end of a raid to the people that were there, and then if no-one wants them they go to the bank where they can be brought by anybody else (providing they have enough dlkp).

I just think that by hoarding them and selling them later you run the risk of people missing out - All the poeple that have raided oin this group (29 so far) will never all be online at the same time, so somebody will miss out on the chance to bid.

This way tho, everyone that comes to a raid gets a fair chance to bid for coins, and any that are left over can then be auctioned off at a random time later (with a "tough if you miss it cos you had your chance" policy)

[DamageCase]

Ok, suits me fine aswell

My point is primarily that I want equal chances on them ;P

[Juggernaught]

Kk. I guess we'll give this a try at the next raid, see how it goes then (unless anyone has major issues with it? - speak now...)