ZG - discussion thread

[Aybabtu]

s'only polite, DC - tyvm. It's also fair to thank you for including me in vexillum in such a big way - it will influence these raids in a positive way

the link for vex guides then (for those that don't know) is s14.invisionfree.com/vexillum/index.php?showforum=20

please be aware of how to take down venoxiss and jekklik - i think that's ambitious enough for this first run!

The Loot is another matter that may cause contention. I'm eager that it doesnt cause any bust-ups, so here are some points:

1) I invite discussion about what classes can benefit from which item, but not in raid time - raise it on the forum.

2) Someone will be ML for all bosses - possibly even the whole raid.

3) To start with I (or the ML) will invite all classes that can benefit from an item to roll on it. This means that rogues will not be able to roll on a dagger because it looks nice or does good DPS when it is a caster dagger. nor will casters get a chance to roll on CoH items, for example.

4) People who win an item will be prevented from looting a second that raid, unless all others pass (i don't see that happening soon!) This is to help loot be distributed more efficiently.

5) I expect people to be fair and honest - if the item isnt a significant upgrade for you, let it go to someone who will benefit more.

6) Bijous and Coins - certain coins/bijous are needed by specific classes. i expect people to research which ones they need. Have a list, tattoo it on your hands - just don't roll on ones you can't use - leads to arguments.

7) The magic number, the magic rule - I'm right, unless i accept otherwise Y'know in competitions that the judges decision is final? same here - we will find it hard going and it will take a lot of time to become "good". i don't want us wasting time in the instance with arguments.

I don't profess to be an expert, or have all the answers. in fact i anticipate that many will have more experience in ZG than me. But I know instances, and i know how good raids work. please trust me and bear with me.

As always i invite your comments

Ayb

[zebidy]

My opinion for looting is a list, where if the item is for you class then you can take it and drop to the bottom of the queue. If it is a multi class, for example a cloak or other item deemed to benefit more than one class (Mandokir's Bow) then the first eligible class can have it.

I think this is the fairest thing, one thing I would like to say is that I think that when new people join they are not able to get any loot on their first run as we had a problem in Vex where a first timer managed to get an epic as we were short on hunters that day.

Coins etc as Ayb said.

Thats my opinion.

Z.

[Kementari]

We can use the coin roller mod if needed, i think it's rather useful.

I also think a lootqueue would be good. It works wonderfully for Vex so I think it would work equally well for DL That means we'd need to make a list of item priorties, or use the one on wow-loot.com or (DC/TC willing) the Vex item list.

[zebidy]

There is one on the Vex site but I think we should work on it tbh, and include the optional boss as well
;D

[dayala]

I have an idea for distributing coins and bijous. It's a system used by my alliance guild, and I think it's awesome.

Now, as most of you probably know, coins and bijous are quest items for the zandalar class armor sets which include yummy stuff like Zandalar Confessor's Mantle for example.

To get that quest done, I will need 4 things;

1. 10 Coins (Sandfury and Bloodscalp in this case)
2. 2 Bijous (Yellow)
3. An epic BoP item dropped by the bosses (Primal Hakkari Stanchion)
4. Reputation with the Zandalar Tribe (Revered)

Today we just rolled for everything, and sure that works. However, it might not be the best way to do it since you also need reputation to get the quest done, even if you have all the quest items.

I suggest that instead of rolling for stuff, we let one person loot it and stuff it in a special guild bank. Later on, when someone has number 3 and 4 sorted, he/she sends a mail to the guild bank requesting whatever he/she needs for 1 and 2. That way we won't have a situation where everyone has 3 coins and a bijou just sitting in bank doing no good.

Furthermore, I think it's a good idea to let the person with the most reputation get first dibs on the epic quest items. It's pretty much for the same reason; it's more likely that he or she will put it to good use before anyone else, and the next time it drops someone else with high rep will get it. This is also a way to reward the most active players without having to use DKP, since you get reputation when you go on raids. I can imagine that some might have objections to this part, so I want to make it clear that you don't have to distribute the epics this way even if we use the guild bank idea.

So, what do you think?

[dayala]

Oh, I also want to mention the rings that drop in ZG.
Basically, there are four different sets of rings, and all of them are great for different types of players.

1. Major Mojo Infusion set: Band of Jin + Seal of Jin
2. Overlord's Resolution set: Overlord's Crimson Band + Overlord's Onyx Band
3. Zanzil's Concentration set: Zanzil's Seal + Zanzil's Band
4. Prayer of the Primal set: Primalist's Band + Primalist's Seal

That 1 is for melee dps and 2 for tanks is pretty obvious and probably won't cause any debates. However, both casters and healers might want both 3 and 4. Take Primalist's Band for example; it's probably an upgrade to many of our casters and I wouldn't blame anyone for rolling on it. And in the raid today a priest got one of the zanzil rings (I think). However, to get the optimal use out of the rings, I would suggest that healers stick to 4 and casters to 3, since both stats and set bonuses are better for those types.

Of course, I'm thinking about going shadow and in that case I'll pass on primalist and go for zanzil instead ;D

[zebidy]

I didn't like not tanking yesterday I still had fun but found being a Mage frustating so I guess I'll just use him as a back up if you are short and obviously use him for normal instances.

We have lots of Tanks now so there is no need for Zeb to take part so if you get stuck with a Mage let me know.

Dayala: Think this is a good idea, with the Guild bank and will definately speed up the raid.

Z.

[Aybabtu]

Zeb

I took Mal because i thought he'd do better lootwise from ZG - Zeb would be more than welcome in ZG, so if you want to come at all, stick your name down!

I could see you getting frustrated and trying to edge ahead yesterday. Spent so long getting beaten up, you kinda expect it now

Ayb

[homan]

Ive looked up most of the loot from ZG and the early bosses dont really interest me at all loot wise as my blue's beat them . the last 3 or so bosses is a different matter

I also love Day's method of loot. i can see that working really well.